Hand History Debate
The following is a hand I played in a cash game on AllIn on Tuesday.
It caused a bit of a debate to start between Culchie and RoundTower on boards. Two players who have good experience so I respect both of their opinions.
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- Washie101 sitting in seat 1 with $51.55
- jdog29 sitting in seat 2 with $10.62 [Sitting out]
- Piiit sitting in seat 3 with $194.91 [Dealer]
- onderchild sitting in seat 4 with $42.40
- Yannn sitting in seat 5 with $14.60
- Lightbulb_01 sitting in seat 6 with $23.91
onderchild posted the small blind - $0.25
Yannn posted the big blind - $0.50
** Dealing card to Washie101: 7 of Spades, 9 of Spades
Lightbulb_01 folded
Washie101 called - $0.50
Piiit raised - $3.00
onderchild called - $3.00
Yannn folded
Washie101 called - $3.00
** Dealing the flop: 6 of Spades, Ace of Spades, 10 of Hearts
onderchild checked
Washie101 checked
Piiit bet - $7.00
onderchild folded
Washie101 called - $7.00
** Dealing the turn: Jack of Spades
Washie101 checked
Piiit bet - $20.00
Washie101 went all-in - $41.55
Piiit called - $41.55
Piiit shows: Ace of Clubs, King of Clubs
** Dealing the river: Ace of Hearts
Washie101 wins $104.60 from the main pot
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I have to say I have very little Cash Game experience.
Culchie felt that my preflop call of $3.00 was mistake, He felt that preflop value of 97 wasnt worth the call.
He has a good point, After thinking about this for a long long long time. I have come up with the following conclusion.
First, the preflop action and wheter my calling a 2.50 raise was right or wrong.
against a tight player it is an automatic fold but against a borderline maniac?? im not so sure. Im still debating it.
I have always felt that mid suited cards that have a flush and straight possibilities can be profitable in the long term. but Culchie has me thinking even more that whilst calling the BB is fine. Calling the big raise is defintely not a profitable long term play, but Ive been pig headed about a quote in a Matt Matross book where he says that before you put money in a pot you have to consider whetere you would be willing to call a raise, with the hand your holding. If not then with a number of players to act after you then whats the point of calling.
This was a loose table. So I felt calling the raise preflop was ok.
after the flop im convinced that if i hit the flush then i have the winning hand as the $7 raise.
as I openely convinced my self he has Ax.
the turn is a spade and i really cant put him on the flush.
Hindsight is a great thing and the only way you can improve at poker is to learn from your mistakes. there is only a small percentage of ppl who discuss their game with their poker playing peers.
Thats why places like the poker forum on boards is a great education tool. There are some fine players on there who or so friendly and help you out with things that your doing wrong.
It caused a bit of a debate to start between Culchie and RoundTower on boards. Two players who have good experience so I respect both of their opinions.
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- Washie101 sitting in seat 1 with $51.55
- jdog29 sitting in seat 2 with $10.62 [Sitting out]
- Piiit sitting in seat 3 with $194.91 [Dealer]
- onderchild sitting in seat 4 with $42.40
- Yannn sitting in seat 5 with $14.60
- Lightbulb_01 sitting in seat 6 with $23.91
onderchild posted the small blind - $0.25
Yannn posted the big blind - $0.50
** Dealing card to Washie101: 7 of Spades, 9 of Spades
Lightbulb_01 folded
Washie101 called - $0.50
Piiit raised - $3.00
onderchild called - $3.00
Yannn folded
Washie101 called - $3.00
** Dealing the flop: 6 of Spades, Ace of Spades, 10 of Hearts
onderchild checked
Washie101 checked
Piiit bet - $7.00
onderchild folded
Washie101 called - $7.00
** Dealing the turn: Jack of Spades
Washie101 checked
Piiit bet - $20.00
Washie101 went all-in - $41.55
Piiit called - $41.55
Piiit shows: Ace of Clubs, King of Clubs
** Dealing the river: Ace of Hearts
Washie101 wins $104.60 from the main pot
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I have to say I have very little Cash Game experience.
Culchie felt that my preflop call of $3.00 was mistake, He felt that preflop value of 97 wasnt worth the call.
He has a good point, After thinking about this for a long long long time. I have come up with the following conclusion.
First, the preflop action and wheter my calling a 2.50 raise was right or wrong.
against a tight player it is an automatic fold but against a borderline maniac?? im not so sure. Im still debating it.
I have always felt that mid suited cards that have a flush and straight possibilities can be profitable in the long term. but Culchie has me thinking even more that whilst calling the BB is fine. Calling the big raise is defintely not a profitable long term play, but Ive been pig headed about a quote in a Matt Matross book where he says that before you put money in a pot you have to consider whetere you would be willing to call a raise, with the hand your holding. If not then with a number of players to act after you then whats the point of calling.
This was a loose table. So I felt calling the raise preflop was ok.
after the flop im convinced that if i hit the flush then i have the winning hand as the $7 raise.
as I openely convinced my self he has Ax.
the turn is a spade and i really cant put him on the flush.
Hindsight is a great thing and the only way you can improve at poker is to learn from your mistakes. there is only a small percentage of ppl who discuss their game with their poker playing peers.
Thats why places like the poker forum on boards is a great education tool. There are some fine players on there who or so friendly and help you out with things that your doing wrong.
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